Panama Boots China from the Canal

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Panama has taken control of the port facilities previously run by a Chinese company after the courts ruled the original contracts were secured through bribes. This move reaffirms U.S.–Panama relations, as a U.S. ally is now operating the ports.

While the ports weren’t a direct military threat, they are strategically significant. So, removing China from the equation makes Chinese activity in the region that much more difficult, especially as the U.S. Navy begins to step away from its role as global protector of the sea lanes.

This move is a great example of using legal pressure to reshape outcomes and affirm U.S. soft power. While I’m not sure this administration can replicate this success elsewhere, let’s see how well the U.S. can sustain and expand power across Latin America.

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Hey all, Peter Zeihan here. Coming to you from Colorado, today is the 24th of February. And the news is that the government of Panama has just formally taken control of the series of ports that used to be run and owned by the Chinese. This is something that has been an irritant in US Panamanian relations for a few years. Basically. The Chinese subsidize their shipping system and then go into places to buy up infrastructure. 

There are a lot of people in America who feel this is a security risk. It really isn’t. These facilities didn’t have the ability to hold military assets of any meaningful size, but that doesn’t mean that they’re not strategic anyway, because the Panama Canal is the primary connection between the Pacific and the Atlantic, and unless you’re in a really big ship, that’s just how you’re going to get from A to B, and for cargo that is destined from the East Asian Rim to the U.S. East Coast, pretty much all users Panama. 

Anyway, the Trump administration threw a bit of a fit, shortly after it came into office, started legal proceedings within Panama. Last month, the Panamanian courts basically ruled that the Chinese bribed their way into getting the contract, which is absolutely true. And so therefore, it was void. Today was the day that the Panamanian government took formal control of the facilities from the Chinese. 

The Chinese a bitch and moan and bitch and moan. But at the end of the day, under legal consequences, they were shepherded out of the building and it is now under the operational control temporarily of a company called Maersk, which is based in Denmark, which is a country that, despite all of the problems between the United States and Denmark over the Greenland issue, remains an ally. 

Fun, fun, fun. 

Anyway, the question is, what’s next? China’s entire position in the Western Hemisphere is based on one very stupid assumption that the United States will actively keep the seas safe for Chinese shipping and allow the Chinese to establish whatever economic footprint they want in the Western Hemisphere. This is dum dum dum dum dum, but it has always been the basis of all Chinese decision making. 

The idea that we don’t have a global navy, we just have a lot of little ships that are close. The Americans have a global navy, so it’s up to the Americans and their global navy to allow us to penetrate into the wider world. It’s always a stretch, and this is a great example of showing how it all falls apart with nothing more than a little bit of legal action. 

The question now is, what is the United States going to do with this? It’s not that Panama isn’t important on its own, but it’s only one piece of a broader environment in the overall region. We’ve seen a military side of the strategy now with Venezuela. We’re seeing basically a functional boycott in places like Cuba. But really, if you want to talk about American power projection in the Western Hemisphere, the Panama example is far more important because it’s one thing to knock off a government you don’t care about, it’s another to get a government to do it for you to reshape its policies in your direction simply because you asked. 

Soft power is not dead, apparently. Not even in the Trump administration. But the presence of Maersk tells you that it’s always easier to do it if you’re not a dick about it. So future topics are absolutely going to be Mexico centric, because that’s where the real money is in the American economic relationship in the hemisphere. But we’re probably also going to see things in Ecuador, Peru, Argentina and Brazil, all of which have, for various reasons, butted up to the Chinese in order to get the cash. 

Whereas the United States is the strategic guarantor of everything that matters in the region. We’re not there yet. The big problem that we’re facing is that when the Trump administration came in, it gutted the National Security Agency or, excuse me, the National Security Council. It gutted the State Department. And it winnowed down a lot of things in the Defense Department as well. 

And then the Commerce Department was not simply winnowed down. It was then given the task of enforcing the most complicated tariff regime in human history. We’ve now had over 6000 tariff changes in the last year. And a lot of this is going to be based on diplomacy and economic activity. And there aren’t a lot of personnel in the United States to craft, to advise, and then ultimately to carry out the policy. 

So strong start on Panama. The question is, how deep can this go and how much can it be replicated? As for the Chinese, their options are kind of limited here. The screenplay screenplay screamed, but at the end of the day, it was a domestic court ruling. And if the Chinese pressure a Latin American country to go against its own courts because it might be pro-American or anti-Chinese, you know, that doesn’t exactly resonate in Brasilia and Buenos Aires and the rest, it doesn’t mean that the U.S. policy couldn’t use a lot of work and a bit of a facelift when it came to diplomacy. 

But hey, when you’ve got the tools, you’ve got the tools.

Strike Targeting Problems in Ukraine

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The U.S. is pressuring Ukraine to avoid striking specific Russian energy infrastructure. As you could imagine, this all has to do with American economic interests.

Chevron and ExxonMobil have a stake in major Kazakh oil projects, which flow through Russia to be exported. Ukrainian strikes on any related infrastructure risk harming those American energy companies’ bottom line, and that simply will not do (even though Trump stopped providing military aid to Ukraine over a year ago).

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Hey all, Peter Zeihan here. Coming to you from Colorado. The news this week in Kazakhstan, of all places, is that the United States is starting to point its finger at Ukraine about the targets it’s supposed to attack in Russian territory. The issue is that over the last several months, Ukrainian drones have gotten more effective with better range and more explosive capacity and better accuracy. 

And they’re now regularly targeting Russian infrastructure, several hundred kilometers. On the other side of the international border. And several of those attacks have struck an area called Novorossiysk, which is an oil loading facility on the Russian part of the Black Sea. The issue that apparently the American government has is upstream of that pipeline on the other side of another international boundary with Kazakhstan. 

We have some investments by American super majors, and those super majors have gone to the U.S government and said, hey, hey, hey. And so the U.S government has gone to Ukraine, said no, no, no. The two projects in question are called Tengiz and Cash are gone. Now. Tengiz is the original foreign direct investment project by Western companies into the former Soviet Union. 

So old that actually predates the fall of the Soviet Union, was negotiated under Gorbachev. And then Kazakhstan got it and it became a Kazakh project. It is a consortium that involves, Chevron, which has a 50% share. ExxonMobil, which has a 25% share, and then a series of local and Russian firms, it produces about what’s called 700,000 barrels a day. 

On a good day, considerably below where it was supposed to be. But the problem with that project is the pipeline. C, the pipeline, comes out from Kazakhstan, goes around the Caspian Sea, crosses into Russia, and then uses a lot of old repurposed Soviet section. So it’s kind of jigsaw together before it gets to another SEC. And so the Russians have insisted that they be able to put their crude into the pipeline as well. 

So while you do have a signal field that does produce a large volume, it’s kind of capped at what it can do because the Russians demand access to the pipe for the rest of the capacity. The second project, kasha gone is much more difficult. It’s offshore. It’s in the Caspian Sea. You only have one American company involved. 

That’s ExxonMobil. They have about a one sixth share. It’s not doing nearly as well, but even it is getting up over a 400,000 barrels a day. So you put it together. You’re talking over a million barrels a day. This is this is real crude. And the overseas terminal can handle it. And then some. But it’s impossible for the Ukrainians to attack the Russian energy infrastructure that ends in overseas without it also being perceived by American companies that it’s impinging upon their, economic interests. 

And so the Ukrainians are basically told, go attack something else. And that is exactly how the Ukrainians have interpreted it, not don’t attack energy infrastructure like the Biden administration used to tell them, don’t attack energy infrastructure for which American interests are involved. How this is going to go is going to get really interesting because when something loads up at an overseas port, you don’t necessarily know what it’s loading up with. 

And as soon as Ukraine started going after shadow fleet tankers, more and more tankers are refusing to even go to Novorossiysk. So this is one of those six and one half dozen another. How do you define it? How are you going to enforce it? But the bottom line is, is that the United States is no longer contributor to Ukraine’s military defense. 

And in the way it used to be. It used to be that the United States was the majority of the military aid and provided very little economic aid. They left that to Europe after a year of Donald Trump. The United States is still providing no economic aid, but is now providing no military aid at all. So how talks evolve among the Ukrainians, the Americans and the Russians is going to termine how the Ukrainians decide to leverage their military technology here. 

There are a number of ways that the Ukrainians could go after pumping stations on different projects for, say, the Druze, the pipeline that used to bring in lots of crude into Germany. 

But those attacks target facilities that supply crude to Hungary and Slovakia, which are two countries in Europe that are extraordinarily pro-Russian at the moment, to the point that they’re even shutting off fuel and electricity deliveries to Ukraine because they want to make sure they can still get Russian oil flowing through Ukraine. 

So it’s we’re still dealing here with the detritus of the Soviet collapse, because it’s not just one empire anymore. 

It’s 25 different countries across Central Europe. In the former Soviet Union proper. All of them have chunks of infrastructure that were designed for a different air and a different political reality. And Ukraine is just in the unfortunate part of being in the middle of it. 

While under attack. There’s no such complications. However, further north, there’s another major pipeline system, the Baltic Pipeline network, that terminates near Saint Petersburg, which is just as big as what’s going on in over a sec. And as we’ve seen in recent months, that two is now within range of Ukrainian drones. More importantly, we have the Europeans that are in the process of negotiating how to go after the shadow fleets directly. 

So we could actually have a number of NATO countries, ten of them who border this littoral, who could all of a sudden all decide on the same day because they tend to coordinate policies, that no more. And then you’ve got to have Denmark, Britain, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany and Poland all at the same time. 

Same. Nope. It’s over and there is no way to redirect that crude somewhere else. And if you want to talk about something that’s going to hit Russia’s bottom line, that’s the way to do it. And now the Ukrainians are in a position where they may be forced to concentrate all of their long range attacks on one specific system. 

I would not want to be running that system.

The Iran War: Interceptors and a Costly Mistake

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Attacks have intensified, with Iranian drone and missile strikes heading towards the Arab Gulf states. Many of these states rely on costly U.S. interceptors, and with stockpiles dwindling, energy infrastructure could become exposed. Marco Rubio told Congress that the conflict could intensify over the next 5 weeks, so stay tuned.

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Hey everybody. Peter Zeihan here, coming to you from Colorado at home. I’m about to head to the airport just a little early anyway, overnight, day four of the war, we’ve had significantly more attacks. A lot of drones, a lot of drones, and quite a few missiles as well. The pattern that has erupted now, makes maybe me think that the Trump administration hadn’t thought this all the way through when they launched their attack a few days ago. 

The issues targeting, the Iranians can’t really go after U.S. vessels because they don’t have the guidance that’s necessary. And the Israelis are a long way away. So there’s plenty of times to detect and shoot down drones and missiles, especially drones. But for the Arab side of the Persian Gulf, the story is different. So, what we’ve got going on is instead of going after the Israelis or the Americans, the Iranians are going after the Bahrainis and the Kuwaitis and the Emiratis and the Saudis. 

And all of these countries have purchased us Patriot missile systems and even some fads. But those interceptors are expensive. And the hundreds of thousands of dollars and the showerheads that are being thrown against them are less than 50,000. So in order to reliably shoot down a projectile, you often have to shoot more than one, interceptor. 

And best guess, and it is a guess, is that the beginning of the conflict, the collective Arab side of the Gulf probably had over 2000 interceptors, but they’ve already intercepted over 1000 things coming at them. So we’re already getting to a point where the, cupboard is getting a little bare. And it seems that the Americans are not replenishing any of those stocks in order to pressure the Arabs to join the war more directly. 

But honestly, there’s not a lot they could bring to the table. Only the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia even have an air force. It’s worthy of the name. And the pilots are inexperienced and few. And honestly, they would probably get in the way, as we saw yesterday when the Kuwaitis accidentally shot down a trio of American jets. 

What this means is very soon, probably within a week, the Gulf eyes are going to have to decide to just not shoot down the heads at all and focus on the ballistic missiles that can cause more damage and have more accuracy. And in doing that, you will see waves of Shaheds be able to start targeting energy assets, whether it’s loading platforms or refineries or even the fields themselves, pumping stations. 

And that’s, you know, that’s going to be more than 10 million barrels a day in the direct crosshairs, perhaps as much as 20, based on how things are going at the time. And in the meantime, Strait of Hormuz is closed, insurance companies and sold all insurance. So nobody’s coming or going. So we may be getting that energy crisis sooner than we thought. 

The easy way around this of course, is develop cheaper interceptors. And there’s only one country in the world it has that, that’s Ukraine. And we are seeing very clearly that the United States’s decision a year ago to cut off military connections, has a big price, the Brits who still have relations with Ukrainians that are good in the military sphere, have repositioned several Ukrainian assets, including Ukrainian staff, into the Gulf to help shoot down some of these projectiles, but give you an idea of how little, the United States has invested in this technology. 

Fifth fleet headquarters in Bahrain, got hit in the second day of the war on the radar dome. Got blown up, which kind of surprised me that something got through to an actual military base. And then I realized that there was no point defense at the base, something that the Ukrainians have been doing around their cities as a matter of course. 

So, the American decision to not engage the Ukrainians, where they have been defending themselves against Russian launched Iranian showerhead drones now for three years. This is where the knowledge base sits in the world to defeat this technology, as having a real price, because that technology, those tactics, that experience hasn’t filtered up to the US military and then down to US military deployments. 

And now the United States is facing the source of the Shaheds head on, and all it has is expensive interceptors that exist in a limited number, which makes it very, very strange that the Shahed facilities that are building the drones in Iran still haven’t been targeted. But more on that as we move forward with the war. 

Okay, finishing this one up from the airport lounge in Denver. The other big news is that yesterday morning, the secretary of State Rubio, testified to Congress to comply with the War Powers resolution, notifying Congress of what was going on. biggest thing that has come out of that is that, he said that the United States actually went significantly heavier attacks in the days and weeks to come, and that he expected the entire conflict to last 4 to 5 weeks. 

Now, this is not vacation Congress. This is not battle plans. So there is absolutely no reason to expect the Trump administration and the Defense Department to follow that to the letter by any stretch of the imagination, which is kind of interesting. The story that’s being told to Congress. We’ve got a number of senators and reps on both sides of the aisle who are pretty angry at the idea that this conflict has happened at all, and we’re expecting a bipartisan war. 

Powers Act resolution which aims to restrict, the American military’s ability to prosecute the operation moving forward. The chances of that passing are pretty good, but the chances of it being a veto proof majority are almost zero at this point, barring something significantly, jarring happen in the next 48 hours. All right, that’s it for today. 

Bye.

Buying Time With Drugs

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I hate to say it, but we still haven’t located the fountain of youth. Unfortunately, that means there’s no current medical breakthrough that will meaningfully reverse the global demographic problem.

It’s probably too late for all the boomers in our lives, but there is one class of drugs that could potentially improve long-term health: GLP-1s (aka Ozempic). These reduce obesity and inflammation by mimicking the hormone that slows stomach emptying and makes you feel full for longer. However, these drugs are too new and expensive to count as a solution.

Some countries are going to be worse off than others, especially those that lack a large enough young generation to replace retirees. At the end of the day, the only proven way to extend healthy, productive lives is a lifelong investment in health.

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Hey, all Peter Zeihan here. Coming to you from a slightly chilly Colorado. Today we’re taking a question from the Patreon page. And specifically, are there any medications out there in anti-aging or anti Alzheimer’s that I think are going to change the math when it comes to global aging, specifically in the American and the Chinese context? Short version is no longer version. 

There is something called monoclonal antibodies. The idea is it destroys or inhibits the growth of the, the bad cells in the brain, basically, that contribute to dementia and Alzheimer’s specifically. But they are fabulously expensive and they really are do a job of what they say they do. According to the literature, which is all glow, it only reduces cognitive decline by like 30% over an 18 month period, which is not enough, really, to move the needle in any meaningful way. 

The problem is, is starting about age 59 or 60, we all start going through a cognitive and physical decline, and it really accelerates at age 62 to 63. And then that’s one of the reasons why we retire at age 65, and why a lot of people take early retirement before that. So if you really want to solve this problem from a demographic issue, a labor force issue, a tax receipt issue, you have to extend the age of retirement well past 65, at least to 70. 

And you need a medical treatment that allows people to be productive for all of that extended period. Remember, people are already starting to slip before age 65. There’s also an issue of timing. Remember that the baby boomers, the largest generation in American history, are mostly retired already, and the youngest ones are already 60. So you’re talking about less than one quarter of the cohort. 

If the drugs were ready today, could have their working lives extended for a few years. For most of them, it’s already too late. And the next generation down Gen X, it’s my generation. There just aren’t enough of us to really move the needle, even if we all could work an extra five years. And I assure you, we do not plan to. 

As for the rest of the world, the situation is actually far worse because in the United States at least, our baby boomers had kids. We know those as the millennials. And maybe these technological leaps, these drugs that don’t yet exist, will exist by the time it’s time for the millennials to retire. That’s another 20 years from now. But for the rest of the world, there really isn’t a millennial cohort. 

So the people who are retiring right now in Japan and China and Korea and Taiwan and Germany and Italy and all the rest, you know, this is it. And so if the drugs aren’t ready today, it’s already too late. Now, there is one, one medication out there that may, may make a difference. And that’s this class of drugs that is represented broadly by Ozempic. 

The idea that you can have people lose a lot of weight real quickly. Well, you know, being overweight, having cardiovascular disease, having heart congestions, that’s not good for your health. And if these drugs do end up working in the long run, as advertised, they can reduce inflammation throughout your body and keep your body weight down. Well, there might be a conversation to be had there, but these medications are new. 

They’ve only been around 2 or 3 years for any practical data, and we just don’t know what the long term impacts, good or bad, will be. So even if they were immediately one tenth the cost that they are right now because they’re very expensive. And even if we could apply them at mass, and even if they were 100% positive with no side effects, very doubtful for all of those things, it’s still only a maybe because we just don’t know yet. 

But for the Americans and the Chinese, where their equivalent of the baby boomers already one foot into retirement, no, it’s too late. We don’t even have a drug that’s on the horizon at the moment. That looks like it can solve the problems that we need to. About the only approach you can take is what they’ve been doing in Korea into a lesser degree in, say, Scandinavia, where they focus on human health from birth. 

The reason why the Koreans and the Swedes and the rest in that class live so long is they get a lot of exercise, they have a very good diet, and they have a high standard of emotional living writ large. It’s not very sexy, requires a fair amount of elbow grease and you have to start young. But that is still the only and best way to extend life that we’ve figured out so far.

The U.S. Inches Towards Iran Conflict

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U.S. strikes against Iran appear imminent, with two aircraft carriers being positioned in the Persian Gulf. Trump has presented Iran with negotiation terms that would effectively end Iran’s status as a regional power, so it’s no surprise that negotiations have stalled.

The terms laid out by Trump would end Iranian nuclear enrichment, force them to give up long-range missile capabilities, and stop supporting regional paramilitary groups. Spoiler alert: that’s Iran’s entire strategy and security model. Any conflict would likely start in the air, then move to targeting strategic assets like Kharg Island. Once that happens, Iran would be crippled.

Outside intervention would be unlikely, and removing Iranian oil from global markets wouldn’t be the end of the world. The main concern would be destabilizing the region and risking the formation of new terror groups, although things like that take time.

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Hey, everybody. Peter Zeihan here, coming to you from Colorado. It’s the 23rd of February, and we’re going to talk about Iran, because what the United States has been moving into the region in terms of military hardware gives us a good idea of the, type of strike that the Trump administration is considering. The headlines are that one third of all currently deployed U.S. naval assets are in the region, which is really a bad way to look at it, because the Middle East, it’s in the middle. 

It’s between things. So it’s really not strange to have a lot of stuff there because it’s coming and going. So let’s talk about more specifics. The USS Abraham Lincoln, which is one of the Nimitz super carriers, is off the coast of Oman. And that’s a country on the southeastern corner of the Arabian Peninsula, right at the mouth of the Gulf. 

So if the United States wanted that carrier in the Gulf would take a day or two wherever it needs to go. Second, the USS Ford, which is the newest of our super carriers, by far the largest, most powerful military platform humanity has ever created is currently in the Eastern Mediterranean. It was sighted this morning off the coast of Crete. 

Crete is an island that’s in the southeastern part of the Greek territory. So it could be going through Suez in a day or two if it wanted to. In addition, there’s at least 60 aircraft in Jordan. If there was going to be a strike, we’re now basically looking at the capacity of hitting hundreds of targets in a very short period of time and suggesting an air war with a duration of a month or less, probably closer to a week or two. 

If you want to do anything more, you’re gonna need a lot more supply ships in the area, for replenishing bombs and missiles and whatnot. But it does look like the Trump administration is preparing for a scenario where the Iranians are utterly incapable of striking back at US forces, so they decide to attack Israel. Air go, all of jet aircraft that are in Jordan. 

There’s a handful of F-35, so you can see them from satellite imagery, and the rest are basically there to intercept drones as they’re going through. This is a significantly larger deployment into Jordan than what they had, during the last assault last year when they attacked the nuclear program end Iran with mixed results. This is intended to drop a lot more ordnance on a lot more places. 

And considering that even if all they do is go after the nuclear program, where there may be 50 sites, they’re going to have a lot more, subsidiary strikes in the areas to take out command and control and air defense in the rest. The question, of course, is whether the Iranians can do much about this. And the answer is no. 

Not only did American and Israeli strikes over the last year really gut the air defense network over Iran. No one has been able to step in and replace the equipment. Your options are Russia or China. The Chinese stuff, to be perfectly blunt, is really shitty. And the Iranians are really not interested in getting it unless it’s the only thing that’s on offer. 

They’d rather have offensive weapons to serve as retaliation than defensive weapons that really aren’t going to do anything. As for the Russians, the Russians are locked down in the Ukraine war and can’t make enough jets to replenish their own supplies. So while there have been a number of contracts signed to get things like the su 35, which is a fighter bomber jet, to Iran, the Russians just don’t have any to give. 

So the only thing that the Russians have been able to provide is some relatively low tech, anti aircraft systems called verbals, which are MANPADs, shoulder launch kind of things. You can use those to take out helicopters, maybe some very low flying jets, but not the sort of strikes that the United States is going to be making. 

They’re more about making a statement of solidarity than anything else, because any of the equipment that the Russians could provide is already in use. And as the Israelis and more recently the Ukrainians have proven, even the top notch Russian stuff like the S-400 really isn’t as hot as the Russians have tried to make it sound these last 30 years. 

And if they can’t stand against Ukrainian MiGs, they’re certainly not going to stand against American F-35s. So as to the goal here, remember that the Americans are demanding that the Iranians shut down their missile program, their nuclear program, and shut down all funding to paramilitaries throughout the region, which is basically the equivalent of them demanding that the United States shut down the Marine Corps, the Army, their entire air force, and decommission the Navy. 

So from the Iranian point of view, if they do this, they’re done as a strategic power. And so what we will probably see is the two of them heading to a collision. And if Trump gives the order, we will have a gutting of a lot of the industrial base in Iran. And it basically just becomes a sea. The state kind of like North Korea, but with not as many sharp, pointy sticks to point at everybody else. 

This would destroy their economic capacity to wage meaningful war, because right now, oil income is 90% of their earnings, in 90% of that oil income comes from one spot. And the idea that this administration in this moment is not going to take advantage of that, is pretty slim. 

I do want to point out one really weird thing about this, though. Iran doesn’t export a lot of crude anymore. Between sanctions and more importantly, their own idiotic approach to foreign investment that basically penalizes anyone who’s interested in investing in the country. Iran’s oil sector has been in a nosedive for the last several years after degrading for a generation. 

So total exports out of Iran are really only about a million barrels a day. And if the export infrastructure is just, disrupted, you know, it’s not going to come back anytime soon. The market can five that right now. And in a post Iran scenario, what’s going to happen is more or less what’s been happening in a pre Iran scenario. 

And that Oman and Kuwait and Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates and especially Saudi Arabia will be able to send their crude not to the United States for net exporters, but to the East Asian rim where the vast majority of it goes for China. So, ironically, we’re in a situation here where the strategic. 

What’s the word I’m looking for overhang of the United States not liking Iran in a run that like in the United States, that goes back to 1979, it’s kind of outdated. And an economic strategy point of view. No longer is Middle Eastern crude supporting the American ally network. It’s supporting China. And so we’re now in this weird situation where strategic thinking in the United States hasn’t caught up yet. 

And we’re considering going to war with a country that has no impact on our ability to fight whatever’s next. Whether you think that’s worth it or not, of course, do your own strategic math. But the old argument that we need to keep oil flowing from the Persian Gulf to support the allies against the Soviet Union, that became outdated more than ten years ago, and now it’s it’s kind of funny that it’s still driving decision making really anywhere. 

And I don’t mean that as a pure critique of the Trump administration. That’s a critique of Tehran as well. They just haven’t moved on either.