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Trump and Xi got into a pissing contest with their tariffs and you guessed it, everybody lost…

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Peter Zeihan here it is April 9th. Yesterday, the Trump administration added another 50% to the tariff on China, which brings the official total to 104. And we’re probably only days away from a secondary sanction being placed on China for its trade with Venezuela, which will bring it to 129%. Also overnight, the Chinese raised their retaliation on tariffs to, for imports from the United States from 34% to 84%. 

So the largest bilateral economic relationship in human history is, for all intents and purposes, over now. And the decoupling is going to proceed with massive pace on the American side. This is highly inflation here because there just isn’t enough industrial base elsewhere on the planet. Even if we had good trade relations with everyone else to replace the manufacturing capacity that is in China. 

And if we’re going to build it here, we need all of the raw materials steel, aluminum, lithium, cobalt, all of it that China is the primary processor of. And all of those now does cost twice as much. So we’re looking at a minimum 10% inflation for the remainder of the year. And hyperinflation is something we need to start considering as a possibility. 

We’re also looking at a recession, because the increase in costs for the basic things that allow your life to function is now beyond the point that the lower third of the American population can afford without significant external support. And the federal government is already in a massive debt situation that Donald Trump has promised to make worse, with additional spending and tax cuts on the Chinese side, they just lost their largest customer, their largest source of capital, their largest source of technology. 

And, the implicit support of a country that provides the military security, that allows their shipments to move. We now need to start considering what happens when the US military is tasked to economic issues, which will disrupt Chinese shipping to the rest of the world. And that very quickly leads not just to a recession and a social breakdown in China, but something potentially far worse that could technically include things like military conflict, and is a disassociation of the Chinese system and everything goes with it. 

It is a very quickly evolving and degrading situation. We have to cult of personality on both sides of the Pacific, who basically ignore what few advisors they have left. It is now a battle of egos, with the rest of us caught in the middle, and it will not end well. There is no one who can mediate here. This is no one who can talk either side down. 

This is going to go until something breaks. And what is going to break is the current economic expansion in the United States. We are firmly in recession territory now, and probably the Chinese system as a whole. And there’s no way that those two things don’t happen without a cavalcade of additional issues. Now, at very we’re having our question time here on Patreon for subscribers. 

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The Tariffs Stalk at Midnight + LIVE Q&A Starts Soon!

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Well, the fat lady ain’t singing yet. Late yesterday, more updates on Trump’s tariffs were released. The gist is that North American trade is taking a huge hit, auto manufacturing and its ancillaries will face severe disruptions, and steel and aluminum costs will soar. Again, we’re just seeing the tip of the iceberg, so we may all want to keep those tariff notifications on for a while.

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Hey all, it’s early in the morning, April 3rd. I set my phone to ping me, when the tariff policy changed. And that was an error. With changes overnight, we’re now on our 86th tariff policy in the last month. Today, I just wanted to talk very briefly about what’s going on with the Canadians and the Mexicans, which are at the heart of the US trading system. 

And basically there isn’t an manufacturing supply chain that we have that isn’t reliant upon steps in both countries. According to the newest changes. Effective immediately, we have a 25% tariff on all automobiles, on top of a 25% tariff on all trade coming from Canada and Mexico, on top of a 25% tariff on imported aluminum and steel, on top of a 10%, tariff on imported energy. 

So the baseline rate for Canada, Mexico is technically only 25% for our number one. And our number two largest trading partners. But then we have these additional, tariffs, that really hit integration issues. So just running through the battery real quick. Energy, most of the crude that comes from Alberta is refined and used in the United States. 

Basically, we’re the only refineries in the world that can process this stuff. In most cases, if the Canadians were to build an alternative piece of infrastructure, which would cost $30 billion minimum and take at least five years, all that would get them to do is tidewater. And then they have to build a refinery, helps them build a refinery somewhere else. 

So this is, energy that basically just became more expensive, and is really going to push U.S refineries to change the way they refine it, especially with the distillation column. So they can use lighter, sweeter crude. I’d argue that was probably a good idea anyway, but now there’s a very strong financial impetus to do it. And in the meantime, we’re gonna have a significantly more expensive gasoline and diesel, particularly in the Midwest and particularly in agricultural regions. 

That’s one number two, automotive, at the moment, the automotive tariff only applies to finished vehicles with a partial discount if there are parts in that vehicle that are, made in the United States. So if you have a car that’s assembled Mexico, but three quarters of the parts come from the United States, you get a 75% exemption from the tariff. 

Of course, most vehicles, made in North America are very heavily integrated. Whether it’s the Detroit area with Ontario or Texas, with Mexico. So this has an immediate impact to the tune of about. It’s going to average based on type, somewhere between 2 and $12,000, a vehicle with the 12,000 being more appropriate for cars that are imported from Europe. Within 30 days, this tariff will expand to cover not just finished vehicles but all car parts. And when that happens, it will absolutely shatter the manufacturing supply chains of, the United States, Mexico and Canada, which we’ve spent the last 30 years building to make it the most efficient car industry in the world, because most of these parts cross the border four and five times. 

And so doing this will basically break the entire system, because this is on top of the 25% tariff that now exists for Mexico and Canada. So 50% charge every time something crosses, even for a cheap car, that will add at least $10,000 per vehicle, and will absolutely make the United States completely dependent on imported vehicles from places with lower tariffs. 

Assuming nothing else changes, something else is certainly going to change. Like I said, this is the 86th tariff policy. And then finally steel and aluminum. The Chinese are collapsing right on schedule. Their demographic disaster is well past. The point of no return has been for years. They probably have no more than eight years left. And we need to double the size of the industrial plant, assuming we do that in league with Mexico and Canada. 

If we’re not going to do it in league with them, we’re probably talking more about a tripling in. That is a lot of steel and a lot of aluminum that we’re going to need. And now that, is more expensive, keep in mind that Canada was our number one supplier of aluminum. And now that costs 50% more and none other than the president of Alcoa, not a Canadian company has said that this is one of the most economically devastating things that could ever happen to his industry, as well as construction in general is worse in manufacturing in a broader sense. 

So, yeah. Last video I gave to you guys last night suggested a recession, for about a year and inflation about 6%. This new stuff that happened overnight suggests it’s going to be significantly worse. And I would be asked if this was the end of it, because Trump hasn’t even started announcing things like sectoral tariffs on things like semiconductors or medications. 

We know that there’s $1 million tariff minimum that’s going to come on all port visits by Chinese vessels. That’s just around the corner. We’ve got the car tariffs, car part tariffs that kick in in a month. We are just getting started on this dislocation..

Trump’s Tariffs: Reciprocal Edition + Live Q&A

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Trump has announced his first big batch of tariffs (that’s right, what’s happened until this point is fairly small compared to the new stuff). Here’s a snapshot of where this one round will take us…

Note: Without more clarity from the administration on how tariffs will be administered, we’re left to do a bit of quick back-of-the-envelope math.

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Peter Zeihan here coming to you from a hotel room because I’m traveling. It’s tariff day at the white House, so lots of news, but honestly, not the level of detail we need yet. So we know there’s more information that will be coming up from the white House in the next day or week or so. But where we are right now is that Donald Trump has listed what he calls reciprocal tariffs. 

About how 50 countries, he indicates that more will be coming. And there is no information at the moment on sectoral tariffs. So specifically on agriculture or semiconductors or anything like that. So working with what we now know, the ones for the Western hemisphere aren’t too bad. Most of them are about 10%. That is enough to drive up the cost of integrated supply chain systems, but probably not enough to get most people to move production. 

So that just turns out to a flat cost on everything that comes in as part of America’s existing trade deals with Chile, with Colombia, with Central America, with Mexico and with Canada. This is an inflation issue rather than a re industrialized or a movement issue at this point. I also need to underline that this is not the end of the story. 

And we also, on top of that, have a 25% tariff on all automotive products, unless they were built in the United States from American parts. So if, for example, if Ford was to bring in parts from Mexico and then do value out of the United States and ship them to Canada for final assembly, most of that would still be taxed twice, probably more like 11 times, because every time you cross the border, you get that tax again.So we’re now looking at combined with this new 10% tariff, probably increasing the average cost of a vehicle really depends upon the vehicle. But somewhere between 4 and $14,000 based on where you’re getting it from. The second big chunk is when you’re looking at Europe. I don’t want to say they got off easy, but they only have a 20% tariff. 

That, again, is not enough to rewire supply chains. It’s just enough to crimp the trade relationship and raise the cost of products. Keep in mind that we don’t get a huge amount of stuff from Europe. That is not what I would call, you know, finished value added stuff. So it’s not that back and forth stuff like we have in NAFTA, where even a low tariff number can have a real crushing impact, it’s more finished products or luxury products or cultural products that are coming up. 

They just get 20% more expensive. Third, and my biggest concern is Southeast Asia. I really all of East Asia, the biggest numbers that he allotted for countries that were in like pipsqueak like 

Cambodia is like 45% anyway. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, all the Southeast Asian countries, almost all of them, they’re pretty big numbers, 25% and up. 

And this is a real problem moving forward. Not only is the United States really technologically intertwined with the Northeast Asian countries, Japan, Korea and Taiwan, and that makes everything with the semiconductor supply chain really problematic because those like with NAFTA products are going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth all the time. And the United States provides the most value added parts of that product. 

This blows that up from the inside and really incentivizes other countries to fill that gaps if they’re technologically able. And that will really help out Japan, Switzerland and Korea and Taiwan over the long run. Assuming there’s not another step, there will be another step. I don’t want to play that, but what I’m really worried about is Southeast Asia, because in a world where China breaks, Southeast Asia is the part that’s going to play the most constructive role hand-in-hand with NAFTA, I might add, for picking up the pieces and building whatever is next. 

And now there’s basically a 25 or more percent tariff on almost everyone who was involved in Southeast Asia in case of Vietnam specifically, which is the country that’s probably going to do the best out of this and be America’s strongest partner in the area. It’s now a 46% tariff. That’s enough to wreck the relationship overall. So all the progress that we have made in the last ten years and moving away from China, these new tariffs just punch in the gut and we’re going to have to start over. 

And that is going to be incredibly expensive. And then finally there’s China itself. 34% is the starting number that appears that that is on top of the 20% that Trump already did in the last two months. And that’s before you consider the additional price on agricultural products or automotive products or what are being called secondary tariffs from, Venezuela. 

So at a minimum, we’re now looking at, see, 3454 or 6474. We’re looking at 79 and then modified by product. So if it’s car parts for example, 79 becomes 104. That blows up the single largest bilateral economic relationship on the planet that is not within NAFTA. And then of course, we’ve got a couple of grenades in the room of NAFTA as well. 

Anyway, talking about all of this put together, we are easily looking at a recession that is going to last a year. If everything that Trump hopes comes to pass, and this leads to an absolutely massive explosion of investment in the North American sentiment, let me rephrase it. In the American system, that’s a 12 to 20 year process. 

So a 12 to 20 year process with much more expensive goods and eventually a part system that has to divorce itself from everybody else that could get really bad really fast. Again, about the only saving grace here is that, within the Western Hemisphere, the base tariff is only 10%, which will mean everything is more expensive, but it probably won’t break down. 

So recession for about a year, much higher inflation that we needed it to be, will probably break 6% this year in a conservative basis. And never forget that this is phase one. And Trump has made it very clear that more, much more is coming down the pipe.