China’s Alleged Nuclear Test

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The Trump administration has accused China of conducting a small nuclear test in 2020. The claim is that a seismic event was detected in Western China around that time. A lot is going on here, so let’s unpack it.

A nuclear blast creating that small of a seismic reading would have to be from a small weapon in a massive underground containment facility. However, developing a weapon that small and testing it doesn’t add up. So, could there be a political rationale for raising this accusation now?

One theory is that the Trump administration wanted justification for restarting U.S. nuclear testing (which has no military support) to garner leverage in negotiations. The Cold War showed us this is a fairly strange path to go down, but we’ll just have to wait and see what comes of this.

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Hey all. Peter Zeihan here coming  to you from Colorado. Super windy day today. So we’re doing this one inside. Well that hair is out of control, isn’t it? Anyway, today we’re talking about the US government’s, the Trump administration’s accusation against China that the Chinese did a unofficial and banned, nuclear test back in 2020. They’re saying that somewhere out in western China, which is the, Chinese testing grounds, that there is a subterranean explosion five, six years ago, which the Chinese blew up a bomb that is in contravention of pretty much every nuclear treaty that has left. 

And there aren’t a lot of those left. This one’s quizzical. So we’re going to look at the technical aspects of that more than say yay or nay. 

There is a worldwide detection system for seismic activity primarily designed to detect earthquakes and help forecast where the aftershocks are going to go to help with things like disaster recovery. 

Because of this, all of these sensors have been basically double tasked to also look for underground nuclear explosions because they send out something somewhat similar. And the US government is saying that something in the range of a 2.75 on the Richter scale was registered, 2.7 times is a really, really, really low. That’s like fracking levels of earthquakes, something that is largely undetectable to humans who are standing directly above it. 

And if this was indeed a nuclear explosion, it would be something in the tens of, tons not even reaching a kiloton. Even if that was true and it was a nuke, the only way that you would have been able to contain it without, you know, some sort of activity is to have an underground cavity that is probably at least 100ft on a side and at least, six, seven, 800ft deep. 

The, the physical stress on any sort of construction at that depth is immense. And it’s not clear that that is within the Chinese technical capacity. And even if it was, it’s unclear what a bomb of that size would achieve for the Chinese. Most modern bombs are in the tens to hundreds of kilotons or more likely in the megaton range. 

If you’re talking city flatness and bombs of that size are actually below the range of most conventional explosives. And when you consider that conventional explosives are an order of magnitude easier to manufacture and store, not much in use because you have to worry about fallout. It’s difficult to see why there might be a need for a bomb of that size that is so tiny. 

A nuclear bomb of that size, about the only thing that might, might, might, might, might make sense is if you were to use it as a kind of a bunker buster, because the shockwave that comes off of a nuke is significantly different from the shockwave that comes off of a conventional penetrator weapon, and it might do more damage to things that are subterranean and hardened. 

But the only things that are subterranean and hardened at scale are, ironically, the Chinese nuclear system. And it’s difficult to see the Chinese researching the development of a weapon that they would then use on themselves. Anyway, lots of questions. There is not a single arms control expert on the planet who thinks that this was an actual nuclear explosion. 

And these are a very, moralistic, idealistic and loud crowd. And they’ve been angry at the last several American administrations for basically letting all the nuclear control treaties of the Cold War, post-Cold War era lapse to the point that, the last big one just lapsed last month. So the question is, what is going on here? If if if the Chinese are testing in violation of norms and treaties, then obviously that’s a big deal for any number of reasons. 

But this was from 5 or 6 years ago, so it’s difficult to see a immediate implication of it. Second, there is a theoretical possibility that you would do something like this on a trigger mechanism rather than the general nuke, just to see if your plutonium still works. But since it’s so mechanically simple, and relatively inexpensive to spin down the plutonium and separated in a centrifuge, it’s difficult to say how that would make sense. 

The Chinese are in the business of expanding their arsenal, not maintaining a set number of pieces like the United States. So again, it doesn’t make much sense. The only other theory that is out there that if I heard, is that the US administration under Donald Trump, wants to restart testing of nuclear weapons. This is something that has no support within the US military community, because it’s designed to fight a conventional fight. 

We don’t maintain an arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons anymore. Really haven’t since the Cold War. We only have the strategic city flatness, and if those are used, it’s not really a military question. It’s a purely political question about whether you want to risk nuclear Armageddon or not. It’s primarily a deterrent force because the US conventional capabilities are so far and above. 

What any potential threat could be. And if it’s a paramilitary threat, like we say we encountered in the global war on terror, you’re not going to solve that with nukes. So the leading theory is that Donald Trump personally wants to be able to blow up some nukes as examples to push negotiations forward. Now, Trump has not said that personally. 

This is something that has leaked out through the administration. I don’t know if I should take it serious or not. But the idea of setting off nukes as a negotiating point doesn’t strike me as a particularly effective negotiating strategy. Unless, of course, the people on the other side are doing that already. And before you discount of that, keep in mind that that was part of the logic during the Cold War is that one side would innovate a new nuclear weapon, demonstrate it, and then the other side would go set off a test immediately to prove that their nukes still worked, and then develop their own weapon. 

And the cycle would repeat until we got to Gorbachev and everyone realized that, hey, maybe this isn’t the best way to carry out negotiations. So no firm conclusions here. What? The only thing that is clear is the administration really is pushing this line is not shared any information with the wider world that would suggest that was actually a nuclear test that actually happened. 

Obviously, there are classified intelligence gathering techniques that are not being shared here. But again, the Trump administration has been pretty liberal with sharing those bits of information whenever it serves a political purpose. So a lot of weird little mysteries here. And the only explanation makes any sense is this is coming directly from the white House for reasons that until they are revealed, remain unseen.

The Real Winners After a Chinese Collapse

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First order of business: No, this isn’t financial advice. Second order of business: taking a loan out in Yuan to profit from a Chinese collapse is a very bad idea.

Practically all yuan is locked inside mainland China, so you probably couldn’t get it out anyway. If you managed to, you would have to convert it before the collapse. The smarter move would be investing in the physical infrastructure and industrial capacity that will fill China’s shoes.

In all likelihood, a Chinese collapse will be more Venezuela-esque than Soviet…so anyone with yuan claims would be SOL.

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Hey, everybody. Peter Zeihan here, coming from Colorado. Taking a question from the Patreon page specifically, and this sounds a lot like seeking financial advice, so I’m not giving it in that way. But if the Chinese system collapses, wouldn’t it be a great idea to take out a big loan in yuan and then convert it to dollars or some other currency? 

I wouldn’t recommend that. A couple things to keep in mind. Number one, over 99% of the yuan is locked within mainland China, and most of what is traded abroad is done through currency markets in Hong Kong specifically. So if you take out a yuan loan, you’re probably taking out the yuan loan in China, and the money cannot be transferred out. 

The Chinese do it this way to maintain full control over the Chinese financial system, which they see as a political tool more than anything else. 

So you wouldn’t be able to get the money out most likely in the first place. But, you know, if you could, then what? Well, you would definitely need to convert it out of yuan before the collapse. 

One of the things that we have learned over the last 40 years from a number of countries that have collapsed is when their system breaks, their currency becomes not just soft, but nearly worthless. So in the post-Soviet system, for example, there were a fair amount of rubles out there because the, Russians, Soviets sold a lot of hydrocarbons and other materials to the wider world, some of that manifested as ruble circulating in the international system. 

But it basically became worthless the next day. So you need to look at maybe not the Soviet collapse as a guide, but maybe the Venezuelan collapse. Venezuela used to be one of the richest countries in the Western Hemisphere, before Hugo Chavez took it over in the late 1990s. That was driven into the ground by the current bus driver, Nicolas Maduro. When you have a petroleum economy, you generate a lot of hard capital in hard currencies that are not your own. You can use that currency either to bring home and subsidize things to achieve whatever it is you want. You know, more roads, better education, happier people by just handing out cash. 

In the case of Venezuela, AK 47 is for everybody. Or you can take some of that money that is already outside of your country and invest it outside of your country in longer term assets, whether they be financial or real estate or some sort of productive capacity. So, for example, Venezuela used a lot of their money to improve their educational system. 

Preach those again. And they also built up their own oil industry at home. So they became, at the time, one of the most sophisticated energy companies in the world. And they invested in hardware in the United States that would further entrench their relationship with America, specifically buying or building refineries that were designed to process their crude oil. Well, as Chavez came in and started mismanaging everything, and eventually we had fiscal and eventually nutritional collapse in Venezuela, these assets all of a sudden were there. 

And Venezuela lacked the financial capacity to service them and operate them. So eventually they kind of fell into a degree of receivership that was eventually brokered by the US government. And they either got spun off into independent firms or bought by third parties. I think some version of that is what the Chinese collapse would look like. Now. China is a lot bigger than Venezuela. 

They have $10 trillion of investment in the wider world, about one third of which are foreign direct investment. So hard assets like a, say, a refinery or a farm, and so when these things go, you basically have the owning entity and the Chinese Communist Party and all their affiliated companies back in Beijing, cease to exist in some form or be denied functional ownership by the governments where the assets were held. 

And at that point, typically what happens is the government nationalize it, and then auctions it off or sells it off in some way to their own domestic entities. Which means if you have a yuan loan, you would still get nothing, because your deal was with Beijing and Beijing is now gone. So if you’re looking to profit from the disintegration of the Chinese system, I know this is going to sound really boring, but it’s like just invest in the physical infrastructure and the industrial plant that will have to replace what the Chinese are doing now. 

And to be perfectly blunt, doing that earlier rather than later is a lot cheaper because then you can have it up and running when the Chinese break, and then you can really rake in the cash. But it is a long term play and it is not a financial one.

Canada’s China Option

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Canada’s prime minister, Mark Carney, recently visited Beijing. This trip sparked rumors that Canada was ditching the US and buddying up with China instead. Let’s pump the brakes a bit.

On paper, all that came from this meeting was China lifting punitive tariffs on Canadian canola and Canada easing restrictions on Chinese EVs. Canada knows that it can’t replace the US with a distant partner like China, but it could be stacking chips for the upcoming NAFTA renegotiations.

With Trump signaling indifference to NAFTA’s future and possibly favoring bilateral deals instead, it’s smart for the Canadians to have some bargaining chips when the time comes. Especially with how messy these negotiations might be.

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Hey all. Peter Zeihan here. Coming to you from Colorado. Today we’re talking about our northern neighbors, the Canadians. Prime Minister Kearney recently completed a trip to Beijing. And in the aftermath of the Trump administration, going off the rails a little bit when it comes to trade in the alliance and threatened to invade Greenland, which is a territory of an allied, nation. 

A lot of the talk out there is about Canada finding alternatives, and a lot of people are talking about Kearney’s trip to China. In that light, and they’re not completely off base. But we need to keep a sense of perspective here. While there were lots and lots and lots of documents and memorandums, signed, on everything from agriculture and manufacturing detect IP. 

Really, there are only two takeaways from the entire trip. The first one is that Beijing will stop charging exorbitant, punishing tariffs on Canadian canola exports. Canada is by far the world’s largest exporter of that sort of thing. China has always been the single largest consumer. And so in the past, when Canada has done things like help out the Americans with sanctions regimes or, say, arrest somebody who’s violating Iran sanctions, the Canadians have been punished by Beijing as an arm of the United States. 

So at least that one piece now is undone. Second, if you remember, back during the Biden administration, the entire world put massive tariffs on Chinese electric vehicles because the Chinese were subsidizing their production and then dumping up on the market with the intent of bankrupting everybody else’s, production. That has now been scaled back. The Canadians will allow, instead of having 100% tariff on all Chinese vehicles, will allow about 50,000 in, this coming year, at a much lower tariff rate, something like 6%, and then ramping that over five years to 70,000. 

Not a huge opening, but for the Chinese who have basically have oversupply across the market, getting every little bit out helps and that’s it. And you know, I hate to break it to you, if you’re looking for me to make a mountain out of a molehill here, but the future of Canadian canola and Chinese EVs, when they’re already banned in most countries isn’t what an alliance or an economic relationship is going to turn upon. 

But there is an angle of to this that is, of course, Trump, because we’ve now had a year of all Trump all the time. And it’s really pretty straight forward, this calendar year 2026, the Americans, the Mexicans and the Canadians renegotiate the NAFTA two treaty. If you remember, NAFTA started back in the late 80s, was ratified and implemented in the 90s under Clinton and then was renegotiated under Trump, won. 

Now it’s time for the five year review where everything’s up in the air again and nations are starting to lay out their opening positions. Overall, the NAFTA accords of all variations have been very, very good for the United States and most of the growth we’ve seen in manufacturing over the course of the last 30 years has been because of NAFTA. 

And it integrates Canada, Mexico and the United States into a single manufacturing space, especially for automotive. In fact, you would really not be able to make any vehicles in the United States right now without that integration. Basically, think of Canada as a partner to Michigan and Auto Alley, where parts are going back and forth across the border all the time. 

Anyway, the Trump administration. Let me rephrase that. Donald Trump personally has said that he doesn’t care about the future of NAFTA, although the Canadians, of course, want it. He might just want a bilateral deal with Mexico or a separate bilateral deal with Canada. That is a potential form that this could all take. But the bottom line is that countries are starting to get their chips in order for the talks. 

And you should look at Carney’s trip to China in that light. It’s not that Canada has really any other options for a big trading partner like the United States. There isn’t one all provinces, but two in Canada trade more with the United States than they do with one another. 

And the two exceptions. One of them is Prince Edwards Island, which is basically a retirement community that lives on government handouts from Ottawa and the other one is British Columbia, where its primary trade partner isn’t the rest of Canada. It’s the East Asian rim, and they serve as the import point for everything that flows into the rest of the country. 

So there isn’t an option here for Canada to go anywhere else. It’s the tyranny of geography writ large. But the same is true for the United States. Right now, the United States gets access to the workforce in Canada and the infrastructure in Canada without having to pay for any of it, which is about as good of a deal and a trade deal as you can get. 

I mean, it’s pretty awesome. They pay for all that weird socialism they have up there. We get all the manufacturing benefits. It’s great. But that doesn’t mean that is how the American administration sees it. So Carney is trying to find some things that he can trade away. And at the end of the day, with the Chinese facing demographic mortality, in a way that is historically unprecedented, combined with the general anti-Chinese position of Washington, it makes sense that you get some Chinese chips that you can trade away because you don’t care about them. 

And it’s a reasonable strategy whether it’ll work or not, of course. Depends upon how the negotiations actually go. On both sides of both borders. The big problem we’re going to have here in the United States is that the US Trade Representative Office still hasn’t been staffed out to carry out normal operations, much less the 200 plus trade agreements that the Trump administration is trying to simultaneously negotiate. 

Hopefully, NAFTA will rise to the very top of that to do list when the time comes. But at the moment there is a very real bandwidth problem. All right. That’s it for now. See you next time.

Saving China: Three-Child Policy

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If China was able to curb population growth with the One-Child Policy, can a Three-Child Policy help solve the current Chinese demographic crisis?

The short answer is no. Large families in urban settings don’t make sense. People in their mid-40s aren’t cranking out three kids. And if everyone moved out of the cities to have some space for larger families, China’s entire economic and political control model would collapse.

China would need to pull off a Star Wars-esque rapid cloning situation to have a shot at reversing the demographic decline they’re facing…

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Hey all, Peter Zeihan here. Coming to you from Colorado. Today we’re taking a question from the Patreon page. Specifically, how about solutions to China’s demographic problems? What if they started to institute a mandatory three child policy? Short version is clever, but no. Number one, roughly half of the Chinese population now lives in high rise condos. There isn’t room for one kid, much less three. 

So you got a mechanical problem there. And if you wanted to force everyone to have three kids, you’d have to first change the residency style of the country and basically force people out of the major cities where the economic activity is and where the services are, and where the government has control of things and push them back to the outskirts or into, the areas beyond. 

So you might, might, might, might, might, might, might, if you’re really brutal about it, get the birth rate up. But it would come at the cost of the entirety of the Chinese economic model, complete with the way that the Chinese Communist Party controls the population. So, no, second, I don’t even think it’s physically possible anymore, to move the numbers to the degree that are necessary according to official Chinese statistics, which are definitely not correct. 

The average age in China is now 44, 45, and getting people over age 45 to kick out three kids. I’m sorry. That’s just not biologically possible any longer. And that assumes the Chinese data is right, which it of course, is not. The debate within Chinese statistical circles, that is a thing, is how much they have over counted their population by whether it’s just 100 million or something closer to 300 million. 

But there’s a broad agreement that most of the over count are in people under age 40. And if you look at what has happened with the official data, they’re now saying they have roughly 60% as many people age 6 to 0 as they have age 11 to 6. So we’ve got a sharp collapse coming down the pipe, even according to the official numbers. 

If that thins out in the teenagers, in the 20 somethings, then you’re actually looking at the average age in China being a lot higher than 44, probably closer to 54 or even higher. And in that sort of environment, having three kids for the small number of people that they have of childbearing age just isn’t going to move the needle at all. 

Right now, The only theory I’ve even heard that might work, that would allow the CCP to maintain their political and economic system is Star Wars style cloning. 

And for those of you who are not Star Wars nuts, that’s basically taking an embryo, maturing it into a 20 year old in under three years. And the 20 year old that you’ve created actually has the full skill set and become a fully functional adult. Obviously our technology is not there at this point. Certainly isn’t in China. 

But growing an entire new generation of 20 somethings is the only way to make this work. And if you want to do it the old fashioned way, that takes at least 20 years, and the Chinese no longer have enough people to even attempt, regardless of what the government tries to force upon its population.

What Would a Conflict in Taiwan Look Like?

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Let’s discuss what China’s potential invasion of Taiwan would look like.

Should China attack, both Biden and Trump have been explicit that the US would intervene economically and militarily. Beijing doesn’t believe that, though. Despite the echo chamber Xi Jinping has created, deep down, he knows that this invasion doesn’t bode well for them.

China lacks the logistical capabilities to move a large enough force effectively and efficiently across the Taiwan Strait, so Taiwan would have time to prepare, and it would become a shooting gallery. If they somehow managed to capture Taiwan, that would only be the beginning of China’s problems. China couldn’t operate the semiconductor fabs, supply chains would begin to collapse, energy and agriculture imports would falter…

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Hey all, Peter Zeihan here come to you from Snowmageddon 2025. We’ve gotten about ten inches, so far. We’re expecting another three before the stops. And if you this is my last video, you’ll know what happened. Today we’re taking a question from the Patreon page. A lot of people have been doing war games recently of the Chinese attack on Taiwan, simulating a combined naval and cyber attack. 

And what do I think of their prospects for Taiwanese success? And how do I think the United States, and especially Japan would respond? 

Under the Biden administration and now under the Trump administration, the American policy on Taiwan has actually been shockingly clear. It used to be we had something called basically deniability, where the United States deliberately said that it could neither confirm or deny any particular action. 

We called Taiwan a significant entity and a friendly entity, but not a country that has pretty much gone by the wayside. Now, while there’s not a firm bilateral defense treaty between Taiwan and the United States, both Biden and Trump have said very similar things that if there was an attack, the U.S. would intervene militarily and economically. Now, that is not believed in China. 

In China, the belief is at most they’d have to face some mid-level sanctions, kind of like what the Russians are dealing with with the Ukraine war. But let’s review a few basic facts. Number one, if you think the Trump administration is echo chamber, it is nothing compared to what’s going on in the People’s Republic. Chairman XI purged his last real advisors eight years ago. 

And so anyone who’s repeating the party line is doing just that, repeating the party line. And if you want to get in, good. Well, if you want to get in dead with Chairman XI, the best thing to say. So yeah, Taiwan is a real place. We shouldn’t invade that. That’ll end your career and several other things related to your life very, very quickly. 

Second, it’s a bit of a hop across the Taiwan Straits, over 100 miles. And, the seas are often relatively stormy. So if the Chinese were to pull this off, they would have to build a really large amphibious force. And they are working on that. But the time it would take to merge forces into the zone across from the Taiwan Strait and meet them up with their equipment and then sail them to the few points in Taiwan that you can actually land safely. 

That’s a whole other question. It would take weeks, if not months for the Chinese to arrange. And in that time, anyone else in the world could choose to do something. Most notably, the Taiwanese and Taiwan has had a nuclear power reactor for as long as I’ve been alive. 

So if the Taiwanese decided that they needed to build a few crude nuclear weapons to dissuade the Chinese, that is something that is well within their technical skill set. Third, let’s assume that none of this is relevant, and that the Chinese and the Americans do not intervene militarily at all, even though it would be an absolute shooting gallery taking out all of these troop transports, which are most of which are just civilian vessels that would be attempting to cross the Chinese strategy is literally to shove a million people in the boats and just kind of sail that way. 

It’s not a good plan, but let’s assume that it works. Then what, the Chinese can’t operate their own semiconductor fab facilities. There’s no way they can operate the Taiwanese ones, nor would they even get the plants, because those come from Japan or the United States. So the question then would be, what happens on the next day? 

Remember that the Chinese navy lacks reach. It is designed around the goal of capturing Taiwan, and it would probably be a real sight. But it’s not designed to project power, much less control ceilings. They just don’t have the range. They have a lot of ships, but they’re small and their legs are short. So you put a few ships in the Indian Ocean, maybe in the general vicinity of Malacca, and you cut off the energy artery. 

That’s where two thirds of their energy comes from. You do a few targeted strikes on things like pipelines, and all of a sudden you’ve got a country that imports 80% of its energy, having very little, if any. And that assumes the United States doesn’t do a cyberwar back. So, Chairman Ji, a decade ago knew full well that any meaningful attack on Taiwan is not just the beginning of the end of China’s of strategic power. 

It’s the end of China as an entity. It’s the end of the Hun ethnicity because of energy shortages and famine, because this is a country that imports three quarters of the stuff that they need to grow their own food. And so the decision was made to proceed because for nationalist reasons, they can’t do otherwise. But I really don’t see the strategic math of changing very much. 

All that’s changed is that China today is more dependent on international trade than it was 15 years ago, because 15 years ago, they at least had some people who were, you know, age 40 and under. Now they really don’t have many at all. We’re in the final decade, and if the Chinese are going to try something, they’re probably going to do it in the next decade. 

But if they do, they will be accelerating their utter end and removal from history, because they’re just won’t be enough energy and food to keep what’s left of the population alive. Do I worry about Taiwan? Not really. Does that mean I think semiconductors are safe? Absolutely not. The semiconductor supply chain is the most diverse and fragile thing in the world, and we only have lose one country of significance to globalization or depopulation. 

And the whole thing falls apart. I normally point at Germany is the country I’m most worried about, but as long as we’re talking about China and Taiwan, let me point at China, because they do the processing for a lot of the materials that go into everything. This industry really does take every one, and there’s no version of globalization that can take place over the next 15 years, where we don’t lose the ability to make those high end chips at all.

China’s New Ship: Enter the Sichuan

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Let’s talk about the Sichuan. And no, we’re not ordering take-out. We’re talking about China’s newest Type 076 amphibious assault ship, similar to the US Wasp-class.

Through the lens of global power projection, this falls short; it doesn’t have the range or speed necessary. However, this ship isn’t meant to cover too much ground. It’s designed for near-coast, amphibious assaults within 1500 miles of China. You know what lies within that range? The first island chain.

If all China wants to do is bully its smaller neighbors, the Sichuan will do the job fine. Should it find itself caught in any real naval combat…I hope they have enough lifejackets.

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Hey all Peter Zeihan here coming to you from Colorado. Today, we are going to talk about the newest vessel in the Chinese navy, the Sichuan. It is a 40,000 45,000 ton carrier. And it’s roughly analogous to the US wasp class, which are the core of our expeditionary units. And so, of course, the core questions is, is this something from a military point of view, the United States should worry about, big problem that the Chinese have always had with all of their vessels is while they have teeth and they’ve got decent missiles, and those missiles have reasonable ranges. 

The ships themselves don’t have long legs, and the Sichuan is no exception, that it’s probably maximum emergency speed is less than 25 knots, probably closer to 20, which means that even three days in full sprint, it’s just not going to go that far. From the point of view of global power projection. It does have a wet deck. 

It is designed to help with amphibious landings. But it just doesn’t have the range or the speed to compete with anything that the United States has put in the water, really since the 1960s. It does that mean that it’s a pointless platform? Not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is it’s no good for power projection at distance. 

It can’t operate in the Central Pacific, much less the Indian Ocean or anywhere else. But that is not the strategic environment that the Chinese would like to contest with it. They’re concerned primarily about the first island chain, which are at the line of archipelago, starting with from Japan in the north to Taiwan to Philippines, to Indonesia and Singapore. 

That is the line of islands that basically block in the Chinese and mean that the Chinese are ever, ever, ever going to be a, naval superpower. They need to have a navy that’s at least five times as powerful as the US Navy, because they have to get through all these potential interdiction points or conquer them first before they can even pretend to be a global naval power. 

And the situation in that context is a step in that direction. Basically, if you’re within 1000 1500 miles of the coast, the system can operate, and it’s designed for insidious assaults. So you use those against islands in particular, most notably Taiwan and the Philippines. And for that specific task, this is probably the right ship for their needs. But if it comes up against any capable naval power and I’m talking here, Australia, Japan and the United States, of course, in this theater, want to look elsewhere. 

You’re looking at the United Kingdom or France or Turkey. This ship will go down fast. It’s not quick. It doesn’t have long legs. It requires a massive logistical train, which is something that the Chinese aren’t very good at at all. So in a hot war against a country that actually has a meaningful navy, this thing is almost useless. 

The Chinese aren’t planning on using it against somebody who has a navy. They’re planning on using it to intimidate the weaker powers immediately in the periphery. For that, it’s okay for anything else. It’s a reef.

How Was Trump’s Trip to Asia?

Donald Trump and Xi Jinping at the G20 Summit

President Trump has wrapped up a whirlwind trip to Asia; he met with several key regional leaders—including Japan’s new prime minister Sanae Takaichi and Chinese president Xi Jinping, participated in summits, and crafted some new deals (at least he said he did).

The United States is pivoting away from China and focusing on younger, faster-growing countries in Southeast Asia. This transition has been anything but smooth; wild tariff policies and inconsistent messaging are keeping things…interesting. The Trump administration has made a temporary truce with China, but let’s not expect that to hold very long. Deals with other countries will be nice if they happen, but until I see someone other than President Trump confirm them, I won’t get my hopes up. South Korea is the only tangible progress I’ve seen so far, with $150 billion in US investment in exchange for lower tariffs.

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Hey all. Peter Zeihan here coming to you from Colorado. Today, I gonna give you a quick breakdown of what happened in Asia last week. Donald Trump had multiple summits in Southeast Asia and Northeast Asia, up to and including a one on one with, the chairman of the Chinese system, Jinping. So. We’re in the midst of a major transition in the United States in terms of trading partners. 

And whether you think it’s for strategic reasons like the, the micro group and Trump seems to think or you think it’s for demographics reasons, which is kind of my general feel, there’s not a lot of disagreement, as to what’s happening as opposed to why it’s happening. So what’s happening from my point of view, is that the northeastern Asian countries, most notably China, are aging into not just obsolescence but national dissolution. 

And so the trade relationships with countries like China, have to go to zero more or less. Anyway. Now, if you want to do that earlier for political reasons, there’s some complications there. But, we’re going to get to the same places. It’s a question of time frame. On the opposite side of the ledger is Southeast Asia, where the demographics are broadly healthy and the relations with the United States are broadly positive. 

So it makes sense. You want these relationships to grow over time because they can. And if you choose to, denigrate those relationships, you’re making a political choice to punish yourself economically. So the relationships from a tariff point of view under Trump have been, in a word, erratic, with multiple times threats on the Chinese going up to 100% tariffs, and sometimes actually being there, but at the same time, in Southeast Asia, some of the codified tariffs that the Trump administration has put in place, not negotiation tactics, actually codified tariffs are some of the highest in the world, which is directly been penalizing American companies that have been working to move their trade exposure, away from China, since Covid. Anyway, Trump was known in Southeast Asia, met with a lot of the Asean leaders and hammered out a series of deals, most notably with Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Cambodia. And really across all of them, the the core issue is that these really were only deals as declared by, Donald Trump himself. 

And none of the four countries are really talking about them in the same way. Most of these deals never even had a text released or even a press statement from the hosting government. So it’s all very much in progress. Basically, the approach that Trump seems to be taking is that our trade deficit in goods has been imposed on us. 

And his unfair, but our trade surplus in digital goods has been earned. And so therefore it is fair. If you don’t accept that, you can have tariffs. And needless to say, there’s a lot of countries who find that general negotiating position to be unfair. And so there hasn’t really been any meaningful progress made on the talks. A lot of little details have been popped up like, say, rare earths exports from Malaysia as being a big deal. 

But, you know, Malaysia already exported rare earths to the United States. They just put a limit on the exports to the world, not just the United States. So they would have enough of themselves. None of this has really been changed. And the country that is probably, from my point of view, the most important to the United States mid term as a trade partner would be a Vietnam and more technically technologically advanced than the Chinese are. 

They have over a, you know, workforce. It’s almost 100 million people. If you’re looking to plug gaps, it’s a country you want to plug them with. And we really didn’t get a meaningful deal out of these agreements. Moving up to Northeast Asia, there does seem to be more progress with the Japanese and the Koreans. The Koreans are in a desperate position because the demographics are so bad, and they realize that if they can’t maintain a working relationship with the United States of the kind of screwed as a country. 

So they were willing to give a lot more and we actually got our most detailed deal yet. Out of all the trade negotiations between the Trump administration and the rest of the planet just came out of Korea just a few days ago. That doesn’t mean it’s done. Basically promises that the North Koreans are going to dump, over $150 billion of investment to the United States, which I would argue they were going to do anyway. 

But now it’s codified. And then in exchange, they got a lower tariff rate. This is really the first deal we’ve seen out of the white House that actually has numbers to it. Now, it remains to be seen whether it can be done, because some of the numbers involved are pretty big for a country the size of South Korea, which has under 50 million people, but still progress. 

And then the final deal, with the Chinese will come back to that. Now, before you think that I’m just like, Trump’s an idiot and he doesn’t know how to negotiate, he certainly doesn’t understand trade. Let’s look at this from the Chinese side, because Chairman XI Jinping went to Asean almost immediately after Trump was there and talked about multilateralism and unicorns and chocolate and how we’re all one big happy family and signed a trade deal with the Asean countries, a face three day trade deal. 

So while the Southeast Asians and to a lesser degree, the Koreans and the Japanese are looking at Trump like God, when will this end? They’re not looking at gee and think, oh, thank God she was there. No, no. They’re like, you expect us to believe us that you’re the nice guy, the one who’s been bullying us on every issue for the last 30 years, that suddenly we’re going to love you. 

So you look at Trump and they say he doesn’t understand economics or trade and the right and then they look at gee and like he doesn’t understand diplomacy or trade. And the right one of the things to keep in mind about both leaders is both of them have actively circumscribed the type of people that they allow in the early circle to be people who will never even appear to know more about any topic than they do, because they don’t want to be told that they might be wrong. 

So we have these completely ossified Jared autocracies running the two largest countries in the world right now, and it’s showing up and how they’re dealing with every other country. So really all that leaves for today’s topic is how they dealt with one another because she and Trump met directly in Korea. We have a temporary defuzing of the trade tensions. 

There’s no reason on any side to think that this is going to last. But the Americans agreed to reduce the tariff rate. They were charging the Chinese. They removed their threat of an additional 100% tariff. So based on what the product is, the tariff rate from products coming from China, somewhere between 20 and 50%, again, in exchange, the Chinese agreed to limit fentanyl precursor exports to the United States and to start buying some soy. 

So from my point of view, on the outside looking in, the Chinese agreed to do some of the things that they have agreed to do over and over and over these last 15 years in exchange for actual concessions. And if the Chinese actually do what they say they’re going to do this time, it will be the first time that has ever happened. 

Part of the problem that the United States always has in trade relations with the Chinese is there’s rarely any follow up, and there won’t be this time, because that requires a team that is actually staffed out to enforce the trade deals. And even under normal circumstances, where the United States has the Commerce and the Treasury Department of the U.S. Trade Representative’s office dealing with trade issues, that’s a lot to do. 

And this time around, Commerce and Treasury in the USTR aren’t even staffed out. And Trump is handling the negotiations personally. So just as what happened in phase one trade deals between the Chinese and the Trump administration in the first Trump presidency, the Chinese aren’t going to do any of this. And we’ll be right back where we started six months from now. 

And one more thing. One thing that doesn’t change. You know, the more the things change, the more they stay the same. With these adjustments. This last week, we are now in our 540th tariff policy since January 20th. So the ambient chaos that is confusing American traders and manufacturers and consumers. Showing no sign of letting up. There’s no reason to expect that any of these deals are the final version. And until we get, well, maybe, maybe, maybe Korea. So maybe we have one. Until we have a whole raft of those, the back and forth and the ebb and flow continues.

Slavery Can’t Fix China’s Demography

Young Chinese children

To be thorough in our discussion of China’s demographic collapse, we must explore as many potential solutions as possible…even if one of those is a UAE-style model of imported workers (aka slavery).

China is already implementing quasi-slavery to help feed their solar industry, but this barely dents the demographic problem. The scale needed to flip the demographic script just isn’t feasible; we’re talking about importing at least 100 million workers. Any idea where that would come from?

The reality of the Chinese demographic situation is that their traditional system cannot withstand it, but that goes for capitalism and socialism as much as communism. So, new economic models will be ushered in, we just don’t what those will look like yet.

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Everybody car video today, running errands, and they don’t have time. Anyway, I’ve got a question here that’s come in from the Patreon crowd. And it’s about experimenting with new economic models. So the world that we’re moving into is facing population collapse among people who are under age 55, having places like China, Japan, Korea and Germany and Italy first, and then moving on from there to other places. 

So the question is, how about some models that we generally look down upon because they’re, you know, gauche, like slavery, specifically, could China replicate something like, the United Arab Emirates has done where the population, is basically sustained by a huge imported workforce that does all the serious work. Could you do something like that while the Chinese agent of mass retirement. 

Two problems with that strategy. Number one, they’re already doing it to a degree. Keep in mind that while 90% of the population of China is Han Chinese, there are a number of minorities that haven’t been completely genocidal into nonexistence. And one of them, the Uyghurs of western China in the Zhejiang region are already existing in a degree of slavery. 

They they stationed Chinese Communist loyalists within the homes of people to make sure that people don’t have kids. And anyone who shows any sort of religious inclination, like wearing headgear, for example, or maybe saying a prayer in private is sent off to a reeducation camp, which is basically a work camp. And so almost everyone who has installed a solar panel in the last four years is benefiting from that system on a global basis because the silicon is processed and turned into solar lakes, in Zhejiang. 

And that really hasn’t moved the needle very much. Now, of course, there are only so many viewers versus, you know, ¥1 billion. Which brings us to the second problem is scale, when you’re in the United Arab Emirates and you only have a single digit number of million of Arabs that need to be supported with imported workforce, that’s one thing, especially when you’re drawing people from, say, Palestine or Pakistan or India. 

But there are a lot more Han. And so you would need to import bare minimum cheese. At least 100 million people in order to make a system like that work. And the scale of that just is not possible. And if you look at the countries that border, 

China, there’s no easy source. Russian Siberia is largely unpopulated. 

Everything east of the Urals is under 15 million people. Kazakhstan has of more people than that, but most of them aren’t in the border region. Most of them are further north. You get to Duke of standing Kyrgyzstan again. The eastern reaches are completely uninhabitable. And if you go south, you’re hitting Vietnam. And if the Vietnamese hate the Chinese more than anyone else. 

Myanmar is jungle and mountain, and most of their people are again on the other side of the mountains. And and of course, India is on the other side of the Himalayas, and that is everyone. So, you’d be having to bring in literally tens of millions of people from at least a couple thousand miles away. So the feasibility of that is not great. 

But keep questions like this coming, because we’re gonna have to figure out something as the world the populates the relationships among supply and demand and labor and capital are all breaking down. And the models that we have now, whether it’s fascism or socialism or communism or capitalism, simply aren’t going to work much longer for a lot of countries. 

And the sooner we come up with some other ideas, the better.

All That Bitchin’ Won’t Keep China Around

A skyline of Beijing, China

We’ve all been there. It’s Friday evening, the office is packing up for the weekend, and the boss decides it’s the perfect time to announce something big. So, I hope you enjoyed your weekend of mulling over the idea of what a 100% tariff on all Chinese imports would look like.

This is a retaliatory tariff in response to Beijing’s rare earth restrictions, but this is bigger than trade drama. China is falling apart demographically, which will domino into everything else over the next decade (ahem, like exports). Whether China-US trade stops because of tariffs or demographics, it is coming soon.

In short, quitcha’ bitchin’ and get ready for a world without China.

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Hey, everybody. Peter Zeihan here coming to you from Colorado. It is the 10th of October, and it’s just after closing time in Washington, D.C.. And right after everybody closed for the day, Donald Trump said that there’s going to be a 100% tariff on everything coming from China by November 1st, if not before, because the Chinese are putting restrictive, policies on their exports of rare earth materials, most notably to the United States. 

Rare earths are materials that are produced in trace amounts as a byproduct of the refining and mining of other metals, most notably, silver, lithium, copper. You basically have to take the concentrate that’s left over once you’ve gotten the primary stuff and then go through a series of refining steps that are very energy intensive and very polluting. 

And China has cornered that market. So they produce more than 80% of all of these materials. In some cases, it’s a functional 100% monopoly. Anyway, a lot of these materials help other properties emerge in more traditional things that I can be used very heavily in things like defense, materials. And so the Chinese have always found this to be a very useful pressure point. 

They’re also very much used in semiconductors. Anyway, the Chinese have restricted their exports. Trump has said no more and is now basically, saying that he’s going to double or more the tariffs that are in place. And that’s just the beginning. Okay. Now, before anyone makes this about trade or makes sort of Trump, I need to remind you guys of something. 

The Chinese are dying out. They already have more people aged 54 and over than 54 and under, and within ten years they will not have enough people under age 60 to run an economy. So it doesn’t matter who you are, it doesn’t matter what your producer export or import. 

You need to assume that that trade relationship is going to go to zero. Doesn’t matter if you’re exporting soy or beef or semiconductors or ethane or anything. Zero zero is where this is going. It doesn’t matter what you import from China, whether it’s transformers or wire or process chemicals or fertilizer or anything. It doesn’t matter. It’s going to zero. 

The only wiggle room here is the time frame. Either the Chinese die out over the next ten years and it goes to zero, or the Trump administration puts into place and owners tariffs. And by November 1st, or maybe even before it goes to zero, either way it is going to zero. So everyone needs to plan for that happening. 

Does the time frame matter? Of course it matters. Would I like to have more time? Of course I would like to have more time. But to pretend that this is a purely political question that can be negotiated away is a fallacy. And if that is your position, you’re going to lose everything. So quit your bitching and start your planning for a world without China. 

Sooner or later.

Should China Invade Siberia?

Cleaning the tents in northern Siberia

While the Russians are busy throwing everything they can at Ukraine, could China make a move to seize Siberia?

This is highly unlikely and there’s really no point for the Chinese to make a move on Siberia. Best case, they get some oil fields (which they can’t operate without Western assistance) located in a cold and barren region with limited potential for any growth. And they run the risk of the Russians whacking that scary red button.

If any power wanted to challenge Russia in the Far East, they would need to cut off Moscow from Siberia. This would involve severing the Trans-Siberian Railway and making a move on the choke point in Tatarstan. But again…that nuclear carrot would still be dangling over the invader’s heads.

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Hey, all, Peter Zeihan here coming to you from Colorado. Today we’re taking a question from the Patreon page. And that is with the Russians. So obsessed with all things Ukraine, with all our military force going there, with the dependency they have on the Chinese for military equipment, would now be a good time for China. Just take over Siberia, I think. 

I see where you’re going. But, invading Russia is never as easy. It sounds, three things to keep in mind. Number one, the single most valuable thing in Siberia is the oil and natural gas. And the Russians aren’t the ones who really produce that. You’ve got something called the covector field, which is the general vicinity of Irkutsk, which is by, Lake Baikal. 

And then you have the fields offshore of Sakhalin Island in the Far East. Neither of these are operated by the Russians. They’re very technically challenging projects that are done by Western companies. And there’s still Western consulting work being done in order to allow the production to continue under sanctions. And if that were to end, or if the Chinese were to take over those facilities themselves, the Chinese do not have the technology to operate them either. 

So it would be kind of a wasted effort. So that’s number one. Number two. Population. Yes. There’s only 10 to 15 million Russians in Siberia. But that’s because the carrying capacity of the land is very low. You’re not going to be able to forward stage a population there that can really do much. The agricultural potential is shitty because the climate is so crappy. 

Third, if these reasons do not dissuade you, consider that the Russians still have the world’s single largest nuclear arsenal, and they made it very clear during the Yeltsin years that should the Chinese attempt to invade, that the Russians would not meet them with tanks and with guns and with men, they would just nuke China’s cities. And that policy formally remains in place. 

So if, if if the Chinese decided that they wanted to make a bid for Siberia, what they have to do is prevent the Russians from interfering in the operation. And the first piece for that would be to sever the Trans-Siberian railway. The TSR is a single transport network that allows European Russia to interact with Asiatic and Siberian Russia. 

And if you were to cut it somewhere closer to European Russia, then there’s really not anything the Russians could do in a conventional set to counter Chinese actions or Japanese or anyone coming in from the Far Eastern theater. The logical place to do that cut would be a place called totter Stand, the Tatars are an ethnic minority, the single largest minority 

in Russia and Kazan, their capital, is not only a relatively advanced city. This is not only the educational system that generated Mir. This is not only an oil area in its own right, but it sits on top of the TSR. So if Tatarstan were to declare independence or fall into rebellion in some way, then the Russian ability to manipulate events in the Far East, much less send troops, would be gone. 

And then all that would be left would be the nuclear card. And then we could talk about some really interesting things. No sign that that is happening right now, by the way, same goes on the Ukraine war. There’s a specific city that sits upon all of the connecting infrastructure that links Moscow to the Caucasus, Rostov on Don. 

And if Rostov on Don, which has been a major staging point for Russian forces in the Ukrainian war, were to fall or rebel or whatever, then all of a sudden Russian power in the Caucasus would be shattered and we’d be dealing with, at a minimum, a new Chechen rebellion. So there are these nodes in Russia that really matter. 

But at the moment no one is poking them with any sticks.